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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 00:32:53
Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 00:32:32
No. The transfers are only for purchases made for electronic commodities sold in the UK and EUM countries which Iceland is NOT.
There is no VAT for anyone outside the UK.
And to clarify a bit you will hear all this hoola about other coutnries saying the value of our dollar is diminishing. Thats funny since any country can set their own curreny conversion they so wish. Its not our fault.
And I wont make CCP silly in saying in Iceland the dollar is any less valuable then the EUR becuase actually the USD is MORE valuable the the EUR in iceland by about .01 isk.
Nice try and try again.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 01:11:25
Atilla fair enough. Not everyone is gifted in mathematics nor do most people have the time to do mathematical formulas.
1 USD = 68 isk or so.
1 Euro = 86 isk or so.
1 Euro = 1.26 USD
1.26 USD = 86 isk or so
Which makes the USD JUST as valuable as the EUR. In fact if you do the math with EXACT numbers the USD is MORE valuable by a total of about .001 isk or so.
Enjoy and dont be too hard on CCP.
Sorry edited I missed your last question. Say you owned an island and you declared yourself as a country. Since you own your country you can say that your currency is called POD. I can then say that 1 POD = 1 million USD. Now the United States says no way 1 POD = 1 cent. I say ok well anybody who wants to spend USD on my island has to pay 1 million for 1 POD. And they say ok then whoever uses pod in USA, 1 pod = 1 cent. So to make this short you can say whatever you want for currency conversion in your country. To raise the value of your currency in other countries you have to keep it fair and not be totally crazy in your currency. Its sort of good will gestures between countries( a compromise).
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 01:15:00 -
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And to clarify a bit you will hear all this hoola about other coutnries saying the value of our dollar is diminishing. Thats funny since any country can set their own curreny conversion they so wish. Its not our fault.
I know this isn't EVE related but I suggest you take a Macro Economics class. While a country may indeed set their conversion rates as they wish doing so is disastrous to their currency. The former USSR did that with the Ruble. The Ruble was utterly worthless anywhere outside of the USSR. Indeed, if you visited the USSR and converted money to spend while there you could not convert your money back. Even the Soviet banks wouldn't give you foregn currency for their own money...you were stuck with it. As a result the Soviet Union was relegated to bartering with others countries (e.g. XXX amount of oil for XXX bushels fo grain). IIRC when Pepsi or Coca-Cola (I forget which) went to seel their product in the USSR they traded their product for vodka than sold the vodka to other countries to make their money.
In short, the market sets the conversion rate of a currency. As it should. (Of ocurse governments have ways to push their currency and that of others but it is still set by the market)
The fact is the market doesnt determine currency values. Its the countries. Usually to save face and to not break relations they are reasonable(market is a determining factor). Else you get what happened in USSR when eevrybody just says screw them they think they are supreme, and ussr says no way our ruble owns all. If you are fair then people will accept your currency in their country. Else you insult other people. Its totally up to the countries to decide wether they even accept a foreign currency and how much it is worth.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 04:15:26
OK its easy. If 1 eur = 1.26 usd. and 1 usd = 68 isk. then 1.26 usd = 86 isk the same as 1 eur. since 1 eur = 86 isk.
therefore in iceland the us dollar is worth exactly the same as 1 eur.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 04:57:04
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 04:15:26
OK its easy. If 1 eur = 1.26 usd. and 1 usd = 68 isk. then 1.26 usd = 86 isk the same as 1 eur. since 1 eur = 86 isk.
therefore in iceland the us dollar is worth exactly the same as 1 eur.
Umm, no.
$1 = 68 isk
1 euro = 86 isk
Therefore, they are not worth the same.
You could do what you're doing with any three currencies on Earth, but that doesn't make them equal.
Azamien I see where your coming from. But the fact is that 1 EUR = 1.28 dollars. 1.28 dolllars in isk is 86 ISK. The exact same thing as 1 eur = 86isk in the first place. Therefore it makes 1 eur and 1 dollar the exact same in value in iceland. Hope you understand now. I know some people are not gifted in mathematics but its true. I am strong in math. I wouldnt lie to you. 
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 05:43:00 -
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Ronyo true.
I am talking about CCP's price increase and the reason they state that the value of the dollar has dropped dramatically. 
Just making the point that this is false. There are no valid reasons to say that, and to warrant a price increase is pure personal motivation on their part.
If anything I think the UK'ers should be mad about the whole thing since they have got the price increase plus the VAT and not "just" the VAT. While the US has just got the price increase. So I dunno where they come from but ill bet 1 million isk they arent going to tell me.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 05:54:04
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Azamien I see where your coming from. But the fact is that 1 EUR = 1.28 dollars. 1.28 dolllars in isk is 86 ISK. The exact same thing as 1 eur = 86isk in the first place. Therefore it makes 1 eur and 1 dollar the exact same in value in iceland. Hope you understand now. I know some people are not gifted in mathematics but its true. I am strong in math. I wouldnt lie to you.
You may be strong in math, but you're seriously falling behind in the logic department.
Yes, 1 euro = 1.28 dollars. Yes, 1 euro or $1.28 equal the same amount of isk. But it's going to be that way for every single currency on earth. Try the conversion using pesos or yen instead. You'll find the same thing. But that does not make them equal.
If I went to a bank in Iceland and wanted 500 isk, I would need to give the teller 5.82 euros. For the same 500 isk, I would need to give the teller $7.35. For the two currencies to be worth the same amount, then I would need to give 5.82 (or 7.35) for BOTH to recieve the same 500 isk. Do you see what I'm saying here?
The bottom line is that 1 does not equal 1.28, ever.
Azamein,
5.82 euros = 7.35$ though.
Your trying to hard. I am not a school teacher and I cant teach you simple mathematical logic or formulas in this thread. It would just be to hard to communicate it to you. If you are after mathematical enlightenment read a book or try looking on the internet. Your not far away from truth but your missing a few not so common sense logic that I dont blame you for.
Instead of disagreeing to disagree just agree to disagree. It works better for all of us.
After reading this thread again I know how its confusing. But just picture you living in Iceland. And then charge people subscriptions. write it out on paper. And then go shopping in a foreign country. its the most common sense idiot proof i can describe it. And dont say im falling behind in logic department becuase lol. Mommy says its not nice to point so i wont
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 06:56:00 -
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OMG, Sin Ist... You might possibly be the funniest person I've ever seen on these forums.
5.82 euros = 7.35$ though.
Yes, that is true. Do you have a point?
5.82 euros may be equal to 7.35 dollars, but both are going to buy you the same amount of ISK, which is really the point.
Whether in dollars or euros, CCP just needs ISK.
You admit that 5.82 euros = 7.35$ though. So therefore, 1 dollar < 1 euro.
You claim to be an expert in mathematics, but I can assure you that you need more work in the subject.
Thanks for making me laugh, though.
No actually you give me the pleasure.
lets say i create a country. I can say my countys currecny is called POD. I can then say 1 pod = 1 million dollars. US can say no way 1 pod = 1 cent. Foreign currency is irrelevant. It all equals out becuase we just happen to be considerate of each others currencies.
Now since 1 does not equal 1000000. JUst becuase 1 EURO equals 1.28USD does not make the EUR any more valuable. They make up their own numbers we make up ours.
The fact remains that 86ISK is the same "value" converted to eur or USD. They are saying that the USD is not the same value as the EURO. Which is false and I will explain why.
I have 100$. I goto Europe and cash it into Euros and its something around 78 euros. I then go cash my euros into ISK which equals 6700ISK or so.
I have 78 Euros. I goto US and cash it in I get 100$. I then take my 100$ and cash it into ISK which equals 6800ISK.
Which actually strengthens my point in that the USD dollar is actually more valuable then the EURO in Iceland.
I know its the elementary that confuses people. BUt hey *shrugs what can I do?
For further pshyciatric consultation I suggest you goto www.xe.com which converts foreign currencies.
Thanks
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 07:02:00 -
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And then go shopping in a foreign country. its the most common sense idiot proof i can describe it.
Glad you brought this up. It's something I know something about, since I live in the States (until May) and my fiancee lives in Quebec. In other words, I DO go shopping in another country.
But since we're not talking about the difference between USD and CSD, we'll go back to euros/dollars/isk.
Bob gives me, for the purpose of this a citizen of Iceland, a crisp $5 bill.
Pierre gives me 5 euros.
Now I go marching on down to the bank to change this into isk that I can use. (We'll pretend for the moment that this particular bank won't charge a fee for this service, although you'd have a hard time finding someone to do that in real life.) I give the teller the $5 bill. She hands me 340 isk in exchange. Then I give her the 5 euros. She gives me 430 isk.
340 != 430 on any planet that I know of.
Why does this apply to the conversation? Because CCP is charging the same amount of dollars and euro. 14.95 for one month. This means, because of the exchange rate, that the Europeans are actually paying more than the Americans, because of the stronger euro.
See, that's why $1.28 != 1.00 euros. Not that those two numbers would ever be seen as equal anyway.
Hmm but since Europe says that 1 euro is more then 1 dollar you cant use that analogy. Thats like using my own country example. I buy a island and declare my country EVE. Then i create a currency called POD. I then say 1 POD = 1 million USD. Then US says no way and says 1 pod = 1 cent. Then I say fine im sticking by my POD and anyone who wants to come spend money here has to pay 1 million USD for 1 POD.
Its like ISK for example. 1 USD = 68isk. Obviously 68ISK !+(doesnotequal) 68 dollars. Countries make up their own conversions for each other. WHile your trying to argue you arguiing something that is obfuscating the truth.
LIke I said sign up for a college class. Read a book. Go on IRC or a forum and talk to some smarter people. You obviously arent taking MY word so maybe you need to either be comforted by equally as wrong people or you need to ask be told the truth from someone you can beleive to be smart. I dunno.
Like I said people sometimes cant be taught things. Their brain has defensive measures which some people cant bypass. I guess i struck your defense method and you are just disagreeing with me to disagree. But you probably ACTUALLY think your right which is why you are refusing to udnerstand or have come to the enlightenment yet. Youll agree with me someday I have faith.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 07:08:00 -
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Negative. 100$ = 78.9 Euros as of 15 minutes ago.
Ill put my money on this whole thing was a joke and your just arguing with me for the sake of arguing.
Someone needs a corp war or something to keep ya busy.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 07:33:00 -
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Thanks but no thanks. I check the official currency market. How can I possibly be wrong?
*me smacks himself in face
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Ist on 22/02/2004 07:51:38
Ok time to whip out some ISK. Bet me 10000000 ISK else GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL ?
pfff i feel insulted now.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:09:00 -
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Sin Ist, u really crank me up boy. I have no idea what economics bible u reading, but I can see from your posts that market seems to be working in misterious ways for u.
There is one authority that decides the values of currency and it's not the country to which the currency belongs to. It's called THE MARKET. Yes, the international market or more precise the level of transactions for that currency (or the import/export rate of that country if u will) decides the exchange rate of a currency. So, in the end, the good old supply/demand ratio.
It's very simple u see, atm there is a greater demand for euro on the market than there is for us$, for various reasons. Hence the bigger price for euro.
Yes, a country might decide to override the exchange rate of its own currency, but the traders won't care (see the Russia example, where they resorted to direct commodity trading, instead of their skewed currency).
As for your math... Well, anyone who managed to pass the 4th grade must be laughing at your comments. Your math seems limited to integer numbers but here's some breaking news for u: there are other types of numbers in the universe! They're called real numbers or more common, floating point numbers.
Did u notice that CCP introduced a decimal part for prices in Eve, or u're still selling trit for 1 isk? 
Jag.
Too bad your WRONG. A country sets their own currency value within their country. WHat did ****** win the war and noone knows about it? PLease. There is no secret government controling all the currency prices in the world. If for example Iceland says that they think the US dollar is absolute god thats their porogative and if UK thinks the US dollar is worth pennies then thats their poragative. No where does any sort of market or anything actually 100% set a currency value. Its all good will gesture.
My math is CORRECT and its simple numebrs becuase that what it is. I never gave a forumla becuase any 9th grader can figure it out with the numbers i provided.
Please go become proficient in mathematics, come back and we can talk intelligently. Else your just making yourself out to be a flamer and arguiing for the sake of arguiing with no real facts to back up anything your arguiing.
If my math is wrong prove some of your own. If currency is decided by this uber secret government that controls the world then prove it. Else please stop insulting my intelligence by saying im wrong. Becuase you cant prove it so why try?
I deal with people like you every day. They think they are always right and better. Its human instinct to try and be the supreme. Like a animal mating call they have to prove their better then the next to get the female. And in most cases one perosn usually loses and in this case unfortunatly its you. But no hard feelings becuase we arent fighting to see who is smarter or who is the supreme mater. We are just having a intelligent, worthwhile argument on a forum.
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